[Dnsmasq-discuss] Insecure DS reply received, do upstream DNS servers support DNSSEC?

Tore Anderson tore at fud.no
Sat Aug 24 18:47:32 BST 2019

Some more information:

> When the bug occurs, the error «Insecure DS reply received, do upstream DNS servers support DNSSEC?» is logged.

I think that the problem might be caused by this query in frames 7-8 of the PCAP:

    7   0.007426 → DNS 81 Standard query 0x56e3 DS google.com OPT
    8   0.009033 → DNS 639 Standard query response 0x56e3 DS google.com SOA a.gtld-servers.net NSEC3 RRSIG NSEC3 RRSIG OPT

There is no RRSIG record included that covers the SOA record (only the two NSEC3 records)

Occasionally (less than 5% of the time) my ISP's DNS server *does* include a RRSIG for the SOA record, though:

  194  31.307161 → DNS 83 Standard query 0x8ade DS google.com OPT
  195  31.309053 → DNS 804 Standard query response 0x8ade DS google.com SOA a.gtld-servers.net RRSIG NSEC3 RRSIG NSEC3 RRSIG OPT

When it does, Dnsmasq is able to answer the query successfully with the correct Insecure verdict (and cache it).

So the question then becomes: why does Dnsmasq require this RRSIG record, when other validating resolvers apparently do not?

> I have also observed the issue occurring while using public DNS servers like instead of

I now believe this was an unrelated problem, cf. https://mobile.twitter.com/toreanderson/status/1165225237115543554


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